Why is Liberland Senate Un-elected?

What is the purpose of having a LL "House of Lords? The Senate is described by Michal in the video below as a Liberland “House of Lords.” He says “senator-ship is hereditary” and it is given to “those who have helped the country when it most needed.” Why would a senator-ship be handed down to a child? What has that child done for the country?

In the UK, it seems like the public is strongly against their un-elected and hereditary House of Lords. So I can’t find a rationale for re-creating this institution in Liberland. On its surface, it sounds like a backdoor for Liberlands founders to retain control and doesn’t seem to fit the motto of “free-est country on earth.”

I also commend Michal for his slideshow presentation on the “Liberland Citizenship Explained” video. This type of presentation makes it much easier for us gongoozlers to understand how things are unfolding in LL.

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I watched it and I still have a few questions.

1 What is the benchmark how many merits does one need and is this a fixed bar or does it change over time?
2 How are merits to be inherited?
3 What happens when the merit capped is reached?
4 Can senators be in the cabinet, congress and or judiciary as well?

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After thinking about this topic for the last day, I’m even more disappointed now. The current LL Senate system is setup either for the current LL govt members to retain control decades after they should be relevant or to sell forever control to the ultra-rich. I get that LL needs money to survive, but by selling forever control to the ultra-rich, the LL project does not survive. It will already have evaporated.

How many in the current LL govt are just “yes-men”? Do you all actually agree to give forever control of a govt body to either the founders or the ultra-rich? Is there any active debate amongst those in the LL govt? You guys certainly don’t appear willing to put any of that debate in public view; we ask basic questions here on the forum and just get ghosted. “I don’t know yet” is a perfectly fine response to many questions. “We are still working on that” is an ok response. Why are you guys so defensive about basic simple questions? Is LL just a drinking club, and those that don’t attend the parties aren’t welcome?

How about you guys send out a poll to all the people that get your emails? Ask them in the poll if they want wealthy people able to buy forever influence in LL govt? Ask them if they think it’s ok if a wealthy person can get 10000X the voting power that they have?

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I think the lack of knowledge is the key to this issue of people are informed about it they may give their opinion on the matter!

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Bump. For all the people in the nose-bleed seats that haven’t heard this yet.

And here we are still wondering why they would propose such a govt body that is un-elected and un-answerable to the people…

Everyone knows humans can be corrupted by power and so a LL Senate is a terrible idea.

What if they pitched an AI Senate? That would be more interesting. I would still be against it, but at least it is interesting to think about an artificial intelligence system as a backup to humans in governance positions…

AI as the back stop? That would make for an interesting table top exercise for sure. I wonder now how different that would be from say an automated smart contract on the blockchain?

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Yeah it is more interesting now that I have had some time to think of it. What if the AI was programmed to be highly anti-tyranny and was active in meetings with an AI voice. It could say,

“I don’t know Mr. Congressman, having senators with lifelong positions kind of sounds like a pathway to tyranny..”

I still don’t understand how automated smart contracts can effect real life. I was reading an AI summary of the LL justice system and it said that sentences will be enforced via smart contracts… Maybe it was just made-up by AI cuz they do that sometimes, but if not, what does that mean in real life?

Wow an AI voice popping in the meeting saying I wouldn’t advise that based on previous history of countries enacting similar legislation… I now really want to see a mock Congress meeting with a AI assistant now that would be programmed to be an anti-statist libertarian, how would like it react to certain types of legislation, etc.

The LL justice system as far as I am aware is still being developed but from my observation of it so far it is more so setup as a sliding scale with fines but the fines are issued in LLM. My question though is what if the person is fined more LLM than what they own? How is that to be resolved? Those are just a few questions I have and it also ties into the part you made about a British “sir” who has a pedophile who got away with until his death. If a senator has millions of LLM wouldn’t that be the same they just buy their their way out of punishment?

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Yeah I wouldn’t want to trust it with real responsibility, but as an AI assistant…? That could be really interesting, and certainly a fun idea to ponder. AI has certainly changed my life; I’ve been a serious internet researcher for 15 years and now after 6 months of using AI, my research speed has probably gone up 2000% at least.

Hmm I was seeing different info about the justice system… Hopefully it is much more than only fines. I will look into this.

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I would make the argument my research speed has increased even more this info finding on my different article series would have been much more well tenuous, frustrating and deposing on the topic almost impossible to find without hours of searching. I really don’t know how people studied anything before the invention of the computer let alone the printing press because it would have extremely difficult if not impossible to find the information you were looking for. But then again very few people actually knew how to read back then and while we as a global civilization most people can read now. What is being read now by most people is useless information that will not enrich their lives whatsoever.

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Yeah you’re probably right, more like 200X or 2000X, rather than 20X. The past society was separated into poor and rich. The future society might be separated into those that are knowledge-heavy VS those that are knowledge-light.

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This many views and still no answer why a free country would have un-elected representatives…

…or those who are well informed on critical and important subjects.

:+1::+1: and thanks to both of you.

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I need to get deeper into all of Liberland before weighing in on things like this, but I’d like to point out one historic fact that might be relevant:

When UK was founded duels were legal, so there was both a honor system as well as personal risk attached to positions of power.

That, of course, fell by the wayside, and for a while the social standing kept things going. Now? No mechanisms like these left at all…

Now I’ll scurry off to read the rest of the forum posts here :slight_smile:

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I say bring back duels, even if it has to be with boxing gloves!

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