Race Traitors (Homo-Sapien) and Crimes Against Humanity

I do not know if there are aliens or intelligence that is equal to or above humans, but in light of Trump and his admin hinting that there may be a disclosure of info that may contain knowledge of extra-terrestrial life, I started to think about how it might affect our laws if there were extra-terrestrial intelligent species.

There are many rumors (unconfirmed) that humanity has been sold out by our own on many occasions. There is one rumor that says that a past president traded with an ET race to get technology in return for the ETs to be able to abduct a certain number of humans per year. There is another rumor that says that Nazis did the same type of deal with ETs in WW2.

Since ANY rumor could be true, it makes sense to at least have a plan in case there are other intelligent races. “Crimes against humanity” is a better phrase for what we are talking about rather than traitor, because the main characteristics of the rumors above is that it is humans secretly betraying other humans. “Crimes against humanity” are handled in very different ways depending on jurisdiction (AI research about this below).

It makes complete sense to me to have a part in the constitution about crimes against humanity and lays out the exact process how that will be handled in the new country. I am thinking something along the lines of how Germany and Spain do it in that they allow prosecution of crimes against humanity regardless of where they occurred or the nationality of perpetrators. They utilize the legal principle called universal jurisdiction.

Thoughts?

(AI)

1. Legal Foundations

  • Definition: Crimes against humanity are widespread or systematic attacks directed against any civilian population, including murder, enslavement, deportation, torture, rape, and apartheid, when committed as part of a state or organizational policy.
  • Key Instruments:
    • Nuremberg Charter (1945): First codified the concept after WWII.
    • Rome Statute (1998): Established the International Criminal Court (ICC) and provides the modern definition (Article 7).
    • UN Principles and Customary International Law: Binding on all states regardless of treaty ratification.

2. International Tribunals

  • International Criminal Court (ICC): Permanent court in The Hague that tries individuals for crimes against humanity when national courts are unwilling or unable. Requires state membership (123 countries are parties to the Rome Statute).
  • Ad Hoc Tribunals:
    • International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) and International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) were created by the UN Security Council to prosecute atrocities in specific conflicts.
    • Hybrid Courts: Mix international and domestic law/judges (e.g., Special Court for Sierra Leone, Extraordinary Chambers in Cambodia).

3. National Courts

  • Universal Jurisdiction: Some countries (e.g., Germany, Spain) allow prosecution of crimes against humanity regardless of where they occurred or the nationality of perpetrators.
  • Domestic Laws: Many states incorporate crimes against humanity into national criminal codes (e.g., Canada’s Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act).
  • Foreign Prosecutions: Perpetrators can be tried in other countries if they are present (e.g., former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet’s arrest in the UK).

4. Key Principles in Prosecution

  • Individual Criminal Responsibility: Leaders, organizers, and accomplices can be held accountable, even if they didn’t physically commit the acts.
  • No Statute of Limitations: Crimes against humanity can be prosecuted indefinitely.
  • Non-Applicability of Immunities: Heads of state or officials cannot claim immunity (established by the Nuremberg trials and reinforced by the ICC).
  • Command Responsibility: Superiors can be liable for crimes committed by subordinates if they knew and failed to prevent or punish them.

5. Challenges in Prosecution

  • Political Will: States may shield perpetrators or oppose international intervention.
  • Evidence Collection: Difficult in conflict zones, requiring witness protection and forensic work.
  • Enforcement: Reliant on state cooperation for arrests and evidence.
  • Selective Justice: Accusations that powerful countries or their allies are rarely prosecuted.

6. Notable Cases

  • Nuremberg Trials (1945–1946): First major prosecutions for crimes against humanity.
  • Slobodan Milošević (ICTY): Former Yugoslav president tried for crimes in the Balkans.
  • Charles Taylor (Special Court for Sierra Leone): Former Liberian president convicted for atrocities.
  • Ongoing ICC Investigations: Situations in Ukraine, Sudan, Myanmar/Bangladesh (Rohingya), and others.

7. Evolving Trends

  • Focus on Sexual and Gender-Based Crimes: Recognized as crimes against humanity (e.g., ICC conviction of Congolese warlord Bosco Ntaganda for sexual slavery).
  • Corporate Accountability: Efforts to hold businesses complicit in crimes accountable.
  • Transitional Justice: Combining prosecutions with truth commissions and reparations (e.g., South Africa post-apartheid).

Conclusion

Crimes against humanity are addressed through a multi-layered system of international and domestic courts, grounded in treaties and customary law. While significant progress has been made since Nuremberg, challenges like political interference and uneven enforcement remain. The ICC continues to be a central institution, but national courts using universal jurisdiction are increasingly important in closing impunity gaps.

Germany

Germany is one of the world’s most active practitioners of universal jurisdiction.

  • Legal Basis: The German Code of Crimes against International Law (Völkerstrafgesetzbuch - VStGB). Enacted in 2002, this law incorporates the core international crimes (genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes) directly into German criminal code.
  • How it Works:
    1. Centralized Authority: Investigations are centralized with the Federal Public Prosecutor General (Generalbundesanwalt) at the Federal Court of Justice in Karlsruhe. A special unit (“International Criminal Law”) handles these complex cases.
    2. “Opportunity Principle”: Unlike ordinary crimes, the prosecutor can decline to investigate if there is no “German connection” (suspect present in Germany, victim is German, etc.) or if a competent international court or the state where the crime occurred is genuinely investigating. However, in practice, Germany has been very proactive.
    3. Recent Landmark Cases:
    • Syria Cases: Multiple convictions of former Syrian intelligence officials for crimes against humanity, based on testimony from victims living in Germany. This is a prime example of using universal jurisdiction.
    • Rwandan Genocide: Convictions of individuals for their role in the 1994 genocide.
    • ISIS Fighters: Prosecution of German and foreign nationals who committed atrocities as members of ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

Spain

Spain was historically a pioneer in universal jurisdiction, but its scope has been significantly restricted by legislative changes.

  • Legal Basis: Originally, Article 23 of the Organic Law of the Judiciary granted Spanish courts universal jurisdiction for genocide, crimes against humanity, and terrorism.
  • How it Worked (The “Golden Age”): In the 1990s and 2000s, Spanish judges like Baltasar GarzĂłn famously pursued cases against figures like Augusto Pinochet (Chile) and Argentine junta officials, even for crimes with no Spanish victims.
  • The Restriction (2014 Reform): Due to diplomatic pressure, the law was amended. Now, Spanish courts can only exercise universal jurisdiction if all of the following conditions are met:
    1. The alleged perpetrators are in Spain.
    2. The victims are of Spanish nationality.
    3. There is a relevant “connection to Spain” (vinculo de conexión).
    4. No credible investigation or prosecution is ongoing in the country where the crime occurred or by an international tribunal.
  • Current State: This has drastically reduced the number of purely universal jurisdiction cases. However, Spain remains active in cases with a Spanish nexus (e.g., Spanish victims of terrorism abroad, crimes committed by Spaniards overseas).

Key Comparison

Feature Germany Spain
Legal Basis Code of Crimes against International Law (VStGB) Organic Law of the Judiciary (restricted in 2014)
Current Scope Broad and proactive. Can prosecute based on presence of suspect in Germany or presence of victims in Germany. Narrowed. Requires a strong link to Spain (suspect present, Spanish victims).
Prosecutorial Role Centralized, specialized federal prosecutors drive investigations. Relies more on investigative judges (jueces de instrucciĂłn) and private complaints.
Recent Focus Syria, Rwanda, ISIS cases. Cases involving Spanish victims of terrorism, historical crimes with Spanish links.

Conclusion

Both Germany and Spain process crimes against humanity through their national court systems, but they are not treated like ordinary domestic crimes. They are prosecuted under special laws implementing international law via the principle of universal jurisdiction.

  • Germany is currently the more active and expansive forum, with a dedicated legal framework and centralized prosecution unit leading to numerous high-profile convictions.
  • Spain, while a historic leader, now operates under much tighter constraints, focusing primarily on cases with a direct Spanish connection.

This national-level prosecution is crucial for achieving justice when international tribunals are not an option and the home state of the perpetrator is unwilling or unable to prosecute.

Crimes against humanity is I would argue one of the very few places that the International Criminal Court should actually have jurisdiction. The problem is that not every country is a party to this treaty including the United States, Israel, Russia, China and almost the entirety of the Middle East just to name a few areas. It is imperative though that basic human rights are respected globally and that is not the case. We must do our best to educate everyone though.

Martin you just missed a golden opportunity to talk about reptilian overlords.

I don’t want to talk about reptilian overloads. :roll_eyes: But if they do exist or any of these other ET’s that people and cultures have debated about for millennia what actions can we take as mere mortals without sci-fi tech like interplanetary travel or some of these other technologies that could be beneficial to protecting humans. My question is how do we protect ourselves from such beings if they already are here and shape shift into anything they want and if we go along the theory that they are positions of power that this theory posits we have a huge problem and the best way I see the world overcoming it is by stopping war, violence, theft, etc. You know the things Liberland wants the world to stop doing by being a model country of the future. But humans have been conditioned though to do the opposite though, but we must do our best to change the mindset perception of what is right or wrong.

We need new scientific methods to quantify the data for such things. For instance there are hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of stories about sasquatch, many from very credible people (including Pres Teddy Roosevelt) that would only be hurt from association with such a subject, and yet they tell their story anyways. If “big science” wasn’t terrified of looking into “weird” topics, then statisticians could probably help us make much better sense of our world.

I share your questions about how to protect ourselves from a (theoretical) enemy we know almost nothing about. But it seems like we are slowly heading for a disclosure of all truths, and I’m guessing we don’t have too long to wait.

Anyways, Martin which method of “crimes against humanity” court setup would you choose for LL if you could? Extraterritorial? Must be LL citizens as victims? Or as perpetrators?

As much as I hate extraterritorial powers for crimes against humanity you almost have to have some type of setup like this with a bounty system to ensure that timely justice is served without in some cases decades long arrest warrants that are meaningless in the current crimes against humanity ICC setup. For Liberland in particular a Liberland citizen or esresident must be a party to the case whether victim or defendant. I would like to see this expand globally with extradition treaties that specifically only apply to charges on crimes against humanity and what exactly the processes and procedures and any other legal necessities so there will be no ambiguity as to what will happen to the defendant (think Julian Assange) by the country to which the defendant is being extradited from.

This is pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I will write it up and add it to the Constitution!

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