I’m new here, but since I could not find any existing posts for this I’ll just throw it out here!
Are there plans for setting up a marina? It could be small, it could be as organized anchorages, and at at least in theory it could be done using materials that are already present.
There should be sandbanks with relatively pure sand, that could be used for any type of cement structure, trees can be used of course, ideally with a pile driver. Even that could be built in place.
Maybe a tiny, single berth or very short canal enough for a boat or tree could be a good summer project?
Alternatively the same methods could be used to set up quite permanent anchoring points for a heavy wire line between two pylons a bit out into the water, that could support several boats during summertime at least.
Just some thoughts here, I grew up in boats and remember lots of old marinas doing things that way
Chris, my understanding is that the Croatian boat cops are still harassing LL boat traffic and they try to have the only entrance to LL be on the road/path from Croatia so that their cops can interrogate everyone who tries to enter. This is totally illegal and wrong, but they are still in a “might makes right” situation there.
I’m sure they will need an industrious entrepreneur to make a marina at some point once building is started.
I guess they will read this, so I’ll keep another, tiny idea to myself until I can share it offline, super simple and totally nonviolent.
A vessel under any of the flags of the signees of the 1948 treaty has the right to use the river for commerce. What would happen if let’s say a small boat selling ice cream all along the river for a while then suddenly gets customers on LL?
Would there be an appeals process? What is the exact wording, does it limit the customers on land to the original signees, listed?
If so, was the treaty updated when Yugoslavia fell apart? If that happened, LL could try that route!
And if it’s not specific then said wessel should be free to serve LL… The key would be to establish other customers in the others jurisdictions first I’d think.
I have made suggestions that Liberland start signing various treaties including the 1948 Danube Commission. I believe if we can get membership even observer status would be great, we just have to get ourselves to the table.
I cannot edit the original post, maybe this should be separate, but its very related.
On Googlag maps I noticed lots of trees that have fallen into the river. That is not a good thing for those using the river, and especially marinas downstream.
Proving good governance is key, so these should be gotten rid of. I bet that this would be a proposals that one could get at least some backing for downstream.
Maybe an expedition could even be backed that way? It might even be possible to contact the forest management in Croatia, which of course has no real powers there, but they should be interested in basic things like clearing up problematic trees.
Working on people this way one might work up some sympathy and maybe even collaboration, of course while not giving an inch on the legal parts.
And then what actually happens on the ground can be used to set precendents
Of course this would have to be 100% led by Liberland, so with that in mind maybe direct help from downstream is not a good choice. But at least verbal backing could be worth something.
I worked on people this way when I was a caretaker at a Buddhist retreat center, the libtard bureaucrats who ran the admin part had no basic understanding of these things at all.
Keep in mind the LLers have had over $100k in their equipment stolen by the Croatian authorities and have been physically assaulted on numerous occasions (including one guy getting kicked in his chest). I doubt many of the LLers want to have anything to do with Croatian authorities if they don’t have to. The other side is dead set on thuggery to solve their problems.
There is that of course… But things might be possible, what worked for me to solve the 20 year old conflict with a very nasty farmer was to quietly talk to everyone except him, and when I had the full picture I got someone from the board that he had not interacted with to visit, apologizing for the nasty ways he had been treated initially.
That solved all of it, now there is a brand new road there, but of course I bet that everyone involved have totally forgotten that it was me who pulled all the strings
Had this other thought in the shower, old, ordinary people around in both countries might be worth reaching out to, doing things like helping out, getting their stories from communism and just talking about freedom in quiet, unobtrusive ways…
You never know what strings they might have access to!
Of course I have not even been to LL yet, this is just some basic thoughts and experiences that might be relevant, of course not for the part where government can enforce whatever, I get that…
I think this is a very wise approach. Perhaps you can find out the true history of what has transpired between LLers and Croatians from people on the ground there when you visit. It is difficult to know much being on the internet thousands of miles away.
I think you gentlemen make good points. I think the communist past and the resulting Balkan Wars is still fresh enough in the region that we maybe able to use to our advantage.
When I visited Egypt of course I didn’t apologize for anything, I’ve been on the right side of issues for a while, so what I did say was that I really hate the fact that my own country chose to assault Libya… That went down very well.
When it comes to Serbia its totally the same, maybe even the whole Yugoslavia breakup happened after manipulation by the usual suspect… And how many know these days that Milosevic was exonerated after dying in custody, maybe even after being whacked there?
Actually I did experience the last years of the Cold War in the army, in the signal corps way up North, our units were designed to last for 3 weeks only, while retreating if the Soviets ever attacked…
I’d guess that talking openly and respectfully about things like this, while trying to somehow acknowledging all the sides except the globalist angle, which is finally done for globally.
I get it completely unfortunately I k ow which country you are referring too and I am a bit too young to know who Milosevic was but I just did some reading and well even though his cause of death was ruled a heart attack it does seem suspicious for sure.
There are many people from Serbia on here including the moderator @Marko_Domanović he may be able to give more insight for us on this topic.
Wow Chris what a weird place to be, on the closest place to the Soviet Union during the Cold War. I was on a base in Guam once and ran across some of the old Cold War era antenna arrays, we called them elephant cages because that’s what they looked like. Countless tax dollars wasted on those things.
We were close, but not that close, if it would have gone hot we would around three days of waiting, if we’d survive for that long of course. The signals lines we were running would probably make us the next target after the radars…
Another friend totally was as close as you can get in peacetime, we’re talking maybe as close as a dozen of yards, certainly a few hundred. He was the most laidback, cool guy ever, but did not talk about that even years later.
And then the injections got him in early 23… Guess he ended up as a casualty of WW3 after all…
Thanks, it’s not that we will ever know for sure what happened in all of these cases, but they do follow certain patterns…
The important part is that the people involved might have these thoughts, but they often won’t even mention things like that unless they feel you might get it.
There are always a lot of layers… Now that my wife is an ex-wife I can get around to talking about that from an Asian perspective too, for someone like me it has been a weird experience to be married into a family of high ranking army and police haha!
But when it comes to the Cold War I actually think it would be easy to talk about, we’ll see
Chris, very good thoughts. Adding to it; How about a massive kayak (100s or so at the same time) ice-cream visitors to LiberLand. Surely, no nation could stop all of us at the same time. This should be documented and used strategically (e.g. marketing).
could stop all of us at the same time. This should be documented and used strategically (e.g. marketing).