Equal Punishments Whether Child, Teen, Or Adult

I included some history about the creation of juvenile courts below this article, but suffice it to say that I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that it was some Rothschild/Rockefeller scam to be able to use children as criminals, or something like that. The 15 year old below beat a woman’s head in with a rock, raped her, and left her to nearly die. He got six months in juvenile prison.

(AI) The idea of charging children differently from adults developed gradually, but its modern legal foundation began in the late 19th century with the creation of separate juvenile courts.


:seedling: Early Origins: England & Common Law

Under English common law (which influenced many Western legal systems):

  • Children under 7 were considered incapable of committing a crime (doli incapax).
  • Ages 7–14 were presumed incapable, unless proven they understood their actions.
  • Over 14 were treated like adults.

This shows that even centuries ago, legal systems recognized developmental differences.


:classical_building: Modern Juvenile Justice Begins (1899)

The first formal juvenile court was established in Chicago in 1899.

It was created in Cook County and is widely considered the birth of the modern juvenile justice system.

The movement was influenced by Progressive Era reformers who believed:

  • Children are developmentally different from adults
  • Young offenders are more capable of rehabilitation
  • The state should act as a guardian rather than purely punish

This philosophy relied on the doctrine of parens patriae (“the state as parent”).


:brain: Intellectual & Philosophical Roots

The shift was influenced by:

  • Enlightenment thinking about human development
  • Emerging child psychology research in the 1800s
  • Reform movements focused on education and social welfare

Later psychological theories (like those of Jean Piaget) reinforced the idea that children lack full cognitive maturity.


:globe_showing_europe_africa: Spread Internationally

After 1899, the juvenile court model spread to:

  • The United States nationwide
  • Europe
  • Eventually most countries in the world

Today, nearly all legal systems treat minors differently, though:

  • The age of criminal responsibility varies
  • Some countries allow juveniles to be tried as adults for serious crimes

Core Idea

The central principle is:

Children are less morally and cognitively developed, so the justice system should prioritize rehabilitation over punishment.

It was more than likely to be of Rockefeller influence I would think because of the way Rockefeller treated the education system at that time. I will say that for felonies anyone over 14 must be treated equally regardless of the crime. For Liberland I firmly believe that only felonies need to exist unless the crime is something for petty theft or fraud of under a certain dollar amount. I am still not sure what the benchmark should be on the degrees of the theft based on dollar amounts yet though. Along with other crimes like assault or murder.

I have to push back on your 14 year old limit. My reasoning is that prison sentences are both to punish the criminal and give them time to build a new moral code, but also to protect the public from further crime.

Couldn’t a 13 year old commit the crime in the top post? If they get only 6 months in prison, they would not have the time to build a new moral code, nor would the public be protected from their potential future violence.

In America, judges might not want adult sized sentences because American prisons turn prisoners into worse criminals, but I believe that the prison system I have innovated would not do this, and could actually rehabilitate criminals.

Well let me ask you this then should juvenile records be public record and in open court or remain sealed as they are currently?

Absolutely public, everything should be public. Ending secrecy will be tough, that is what we are living thru now, but it is mandatory for a world that doesn’t allow keeping other humans as slaves.

There are different levels of “public” though (presently). Most marriages records are “technically” public but they are usually not internet searchable and many places require an official request submission to see the record.

Imho a lot of the issue of keeping juvenile records sealed is because there are mandatory issues after felony convictions such as the loss of rights to own guns. As far as guns, I have it set in my model that anyone convicted of violence with a weapon loses gun rights permanently and I would want that to be applied to the 15 year old above just like any adult. Perhaps there could be a way to redeem that right, such as working as a policeman maybe.

Also young people are rapidly becoming knowledgeable at a way faster rate than humans could previously. A 20 year old now can easily have the knowledge of a 40 year old in 2000 (tho not the first-hand experience).

Interesting observations on public records and to be honest defining how a young teenager would be classified is a very thorny issue for me. What if the person has autism or some other intellectual disability how would the criminal justice system treat such a person. I don’t have a good answer, what do you think Murf?

Well if we go off my new prison model, then prison is really just an extreme opportunity to “re-program” someone. If a 10 year old intentionally plans and executes a murder, they then need extreme re-programming outside the capabilities of their parents. In my model their first phase of prison is solitary with no external contact so there isn’t much chance of the 10 year old becoming a worse criminal by associating with criminal types. (Mary Bell, example of a 10 yo murderer)

Perhaps there could be a rule where a parent of a criminal under 18 can come and even stay in the prison momentarily (overnight or weekend) so the child can maintain the relationship with their parents.

We all now have autism, some of us just use it to design new govt systems. I don’t know if I would treat people with disabilities or mental health problems too much differently than the system does now. But let’s say a severely mentally handicapped person commits a murder, the public still needs to be protected by isolation of the murderer and an attempt to re-program that person must be made, even if it turns out to be unsuccessful.

I suspect that once we, as a society, wade thru all the “brainwashing” research that the CIA and rothschilds have put together to control us, we are going to understand the human mind much better, and will probably be able to use that learning for the good of society in a lot of different ways.

Also, I want to mention the work of Weston Price in showing that physical conditions that appeared in the face of an individual could predict with uncanny accuracy whether they would become a criminal later (I could not recommend a book higher than Nutrition and Physical Degeneration; a must read). This was before vitamins were forced into the western food supplies, but you can still see these facial conditions in Africa.

I mention this to say that sometimes it is a persons environment (external and internal) that puts them on the path of criminality, and so by putting a person in prison you are changing their external environment as well as their internal environment via food nutrients/sun exposure/etc. In the US prisons, this means a bunch of bad environmental factors, but in my prison model, the environment would be beneficial.