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In response to Martin’s excellent reporting on the Constitution meeting, my stance is still the contrarian view that this document should be left in a “close-to-finished” state. Per Martin (and I agree) there is no working society without a working justice system, and I don’t see LL very close to a working justice system.

In my estimation, at best, we are a year or 2 away from a working justice system, so best to use those years to continue thinking about and working on the Constitution and every other element of the justice system, which includes, at a minimum, the following:

Laws
Police structure and protocols
Prison structure and protocols
Court structure and protocols

Martin and myself are trying to chip away at these subjects, but it is quite difficult as we have very little personal experience in these areas. Although maybe this helps a bit because we still have curiosity about these things. I know there are several lawyers in the LL crowd, and it would be cool if they would chime in on the court topics, assuming there is an understanding that no one is the “guru” on any topic.

I spent over a decade in EMS, but I am certainly not an “expert”. If I were tasked with creating an EMS agency from scratch, I, at least, know who I would reach out to to help design the EMS system of the future, such as Paramedic Harry Fisher, Nurse Michelle Spencer, and Dr Jack Kruse. Some of these people would probably LOVE to help in designing the EMS system of the future and would give their insights for free.

Every topic should be treated this way. The “close-to-finished” Constitution should be sent to everyone who might be knowledgeable about such things and asked for their insights. Whatever we come up with for a police system should be sent to all types of law enforcement officers across the world and they be asked for their input, and likewise for the prison and court systems. Just keeping everything “in-house” amongst LLers seems to me like the height of arrogance to assume we will produce the best systems by ourselves.

To personally reach out to all these subject matter experts also helps spread the news about LL, gets more people involved, and could aid in fundraising.

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I think we need to reach out to nonprofits who advocate for specific policy positions as they are subject matter experts in whatever field it is that they focus in but also to those people and businesses around the world that are libertarian leaning as well as think tanks like Cato Insitute, Mises Institute and all of the others like them everywhere to get not only their input but also support. If we can leverage external contacts that we all have or attempt to forge as we move forward I think we will formulate a bulletproof society of the future.

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100%. Yeah, just from a networking angle it makes so much sense, but to potentially also get that free input is priceless. One time I was part of an EMS agency that was just getting started and so needed it’s own protocols written down (which is a tedious process) well one of the paramedics wives, who was a nurse, took it on herself (for free) to write the first version of the protocols just because she was excited by the fact of having a hand in a system that was just getting started.

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However, we should be careful with governmental nonprofits. There’s a hidden agenda with those organisations.

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Very true, trust individuals that prove trustworthy, not groups. Blind trust in groups is what got the world in the situation it is in now.

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Very true but we need to utilize the resources of the libertarian think tank groups that have existed for decades trying their best to change public policy here.

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Absolutely. At the very least, we know they aren’t deep-state shills. The deep-state would never back such a fringe group lol